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418 of 432 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of five stars Perfecting the almost perfect, July 20, 2010
By G. Ware Cornell Jr. “anotherlawyer” (Weston FL) See all my reviews
(VINE VOICE) (TOP 500 REVIEWER) (REAL NAME) This review is from: Livescribe four GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) I’m a great believer in Livescribe’s smartpens. The 1st offering three years ago Livescribe two GB Pulse Smartpen worked perfectly since. It isn’t exactly svelte, but it had the capacity to record 200 hours of audio and proved to be an very dependable and useful tool for a busy proceedings practice.
The Echo is a refinement of the original Pulse. It’s slimmer, and does not quite appear like one of those metal cigar containers. It has twice the memory of my original smartpen. The price has come down over the years considerably making an investment in a smartpen more nice.
I use my pen to record initial client interviews also as depositions. I’m able using the Livescribe Desktop software to export a recording to a CD and send it to a client to hear. But the best feature is its “point and play” technology which lets me to listen selectively to a recording on my pen by touching a word in my notes. The audio now syncs to the part of the conversation and has a five second “skip back/skip forward” feature to be slow writers like me. I may also listen afterward to my notes and add extra points of interest.
Audio fidelity is surprisingly good. The pen has settings for different environments like lectures or office meetings. If you just use the default settings you’ll be happy with the output.
Besides being thinner, the new Echo not requires a cradle, and attaches straight to a USB port on your Mac (that’s me) or PC.This removes another gadget I have to lug around in my briefcase.
Livescribe’s special paper shouldn’t intimidate any potential buyer. 1st it’s possible to print your paper. Livescribe suggests that this requires a laser printer, but I have really done it with an injet. You must test in any event if your printer is matched which is how I learned many inkjet printers will work.
However users will find Livescribe notebooks to be reasonably priced. I purchase Livescribe ANA 00018 Single Lined 100 Page 5 8 Notebook four Pack which makes the cost per notebook comparable to common spiral notebooks. Obviously Livescribe is refusing to adopt the model of printer manufacturers who make most of their money on supplies.
There are applications available for the Echo as well as a text recognition app that offers a 30 day free trial. But my handwriting is typically indecipherable to me so I have never tried it. But the idea is great.
In the universe of Livescribe pens this is most likely the one which should command your most serious consideration. 4GB is an an huge total of data and recording. I have never come close to filling 2GBs though I do remove recording from the pen from time to time while maintaining the audio on my Livescribe Desktop.
Livescribe perfected a product that, as a tool for lawyers, for students, for physicians, and salesmen, also a host of others was almost perfect.
339 of 352 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of five stars Works Well on Windows; Mac Software Sluggish & Handwriting Recognition Add On MyScript doesn’t Work Well, August 25, 2010
By SanjeevP “Bottom Line” (Michigan, USA) See all my reviews
(VINE VOICE) (TOP 500 REVIEWER) () This review is from: Livescribe four GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) Amazing! is the 1st reaction to this device. Here are the things it can do, and usually well.
1. Write like a regular pen.
2. Record voice or sound like any digital recorder.
3. Link the written notes to the recorded sound. If tap on a written word it’ll play the sound recorded at the time that word was written.
4. Upload handwritten notes and voice to computer.
5. Share your written notes and audio (Pencasts).
The sound quality is pretty good. There are lot of add on apps available like games, language translation, piano etc. Which I haven’t used so far except MyScript, which doesn’t work well. It comes with two good black ink cartridges, no medium, and I wish there was one included. The writing was faint with good tip and it was scratchy to write. So I had to order another pack of five Livescribe ARA 000007 four Medium Blue and one good Red Ink Cartridge cartridges. On occasion the writing is faint on the computer with medium tipped blue cartridges.
PROBLEMS
1. BUGGY MAC LIVESCRIBE DESKTOP SOFTWARE: Echo pen doesn’t come with any software, you must download that from the website. LiveScribe Desktop for Mac software is sluggish and glitchy. You’ll be watching the spinning wheel for a while (3:48 minutes) when it starts, it’ll keep on asking you for email address and password and not let you use the program till you do. And if you aren’t connected to the Internet, the LiveScribe will not stop spinning till you connect the Echo pen. Windows software is really better, faster and doesn’t hang up like that. After you connect the pen, it takes a while for the notes to show up. Though you may be able to archive the notes from one pen to one computer, there’s no way to move notes to many computers because archiving the notes removes them from the pen. The 1st time I connected the pen, it updated the firmware automatically.
2. Hard TO PRINT CUSTOM PAPER: Another problem is that you must purchase notebooks and paper from LiveScribe. As far as I can make out, they don’t sell A4 size paper. You may be able to print the paper on many Postscript color laser printers. I couldn’t print the paper on Dell 5100cn color laser printer, either with Dell Postscript driver or with Adobe generic Postscript driver but I was successful in printing the paper on Brother MFC 9840CDW Color Laser Multifunction Center with Wireless Interface and Duplex but only from the Mac LiveScribe. It took a long time two hours to print 25 pages! Interestingly, the custom notebooks may be printed only in Mac Livescribe, not from the Windows variant. The file was 200MB. You must print one full notebook of 25 pages at time and you can not print fractional notebooks, say pages 1 10. And you may be able to only print total 100 pages (4 Notebooks with 25 pages each). If you want to use more than hundred pages, you must archive a notebook before you may be able to do that. That limitations active pages to 100 at a time! This is the biggest disadvantage I found for my function because I have to hundreds of active records at a time where I can write info on many days. The same limitation also applies to their notebooks. In spite of using 1200 dpi resolution for printing, the quality of writing was still poor when it showed up on the computer. So I ended up using Livescribe Single Subject Spiral Notebook ANA 00017, 4 Pack, Nos. 1 4 which have A4 size paper, but punched.
3. NO EASY WAY TO BACKUP: The data moved to the computer is saved in one of those obscure and hidden Windows & Mac folders that are hard to find for non techies and won’t back up unless you do world backup like Windows Backup or Mac Time Machine. You can not save your data in custom folders. Though, I had everything backed up, I couldn’t restore the the data when my hard drive died and lost all archived notes. Three technical support reps from LiveScribe couldn’t restore it. 1st two said they’ll call back and let me know but never did. The last technical support rep did get back to me in Email and said they couldn’t restore my backed up data. After losing lot of data (300 A4 pages), I now save all notes as PDF files in my custom data folders and also upload to Evernote. I don’t record lot of audio and so far the free Evernote account was enough. Integration of Windows LiveScribe with Evernote works well.
4. POOR HANDWRITING RECOGNITION ADD ON MyScript: My major function in purchasing this pen was to change handwritten notes to computer text. For that I had to purchase a thirty buck add on called MyScript for LiveScribe which doesn’t work so well. With clear cursive writing it doesn’t recognize many words and has specific difficulty with technical words, so you must add each word one by one into the dictionary, and can not import your Microsoft Word or Pages dictionary. Tedious procedure. But it has Auto substitute, which works like Microsoft Word Autocorrect, e.G. If you write 3m, you may be able to program it to develop to three months. That’s the work around to poor handwriting recognition.
5. ANNOYING UNTETHERED CAP: Like each one else, I found the loose cap irritating, it may be easily lost. Are you supposed to keep putting and removing the cap all day long? It isn’t clear to me why they could not make a retractable pen or why the cap can not be held in place on the back of the pen or tethered with a small cord. There’s no clip on the pen to clip it to your pocket either. You’ll find this annoying.
6. NO AUTO ON & OFF: If you forget to turn the pen on by pressing the on/off button, the pen won’t record anything. I can not understand why the pen doesn’t have auto on, it should turn on once you start writing on the paper. The on off button should be behind the ink cartridge, so it turns on just by the procedure of starting to write. Or can be they can fix this with a firmware upgrade.
Overall, it’s great for students to record lectures, attorneys, reporters, conference attendees making notes etc. And you may be able to afterward on refer to the written notes and /or speech. You may be able to write or record speech or do both and link the two. Those who are going to record many of audio should go for eight Gb; for most users four Gb should suffice. If you use LiveScribe notebooks and Windows software it works pretty well. But if you have a Mac, have to print your custom A4 paper, or need handwriting recognition, then it’s a work in progress and needs lot of bugs ironed out before it can become a mainstream product. Can be they can have a wi fi card like Eye Fi so that notes are automatically moved to your computer. It sure has the potentiel.
139 of 145 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of five stars Nice Upgrade from the Pulse, July 22, 2010
By Karen B Mielke (Maplewood, MN, USA) See all my reviews () This review is from: Livescribe eight GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) I love my Pulse 4GB. This Echo 8GB is just that much nicer more comfy to hold, more memory, better uplink connection than the Pulse’s standard cradle, which is a little too easy to knock the pen off from. The Pulse’s pro cradle (upright) is nice, though. The new Mac Desktop update (2.2.1) is a good one, with a much easier interface for sharing pencasts, pdfs, and AAC files. Like the last reviewer, I had difficulty at 1st, but ended up manually downloading and installing the new software update (my software kept telling me I had the new, but it was 2.1). It replaced my last version(keeping all the Pulse files intact), and after the fast install, it started to recognize the Echo without any problem.
The new pen cap is little and fits tight I suspect it’ll be lost quickly. It’s different than the Pulse caps smaller, and fits on differently. I do not notice much difference at all in using the Echo vs the Pulse, but I do find it more comfy and less dorky looking. I never considered 4GB to be too little storage, but 8GB surely lets me to record everything at the highest quality without concern. Interestingly, this pen did not come with the recording headphones which are nice, but way too dorky to really use. If you’re wanting to purchase a 1st Smartpen, you really can not go wrong with either the Pulse or the Echo. If you’re a student or an attorney or anybody who needs to recall in depth discussion points, you will not be sorry. The range of notebooks now is great.
Note: EVERY high school and college student with learning illnesses involving processing speeds, slow writing, Asperger’s Syndrome, or attentional issues should have and use this product. I suspect this will replace “note takers” sooner or later, as this is FAR less costly and more efficient (see 2008 09 research study from Rochester Institute of Technology).
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418 of 432 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of five stars Perfecting the almost perfect, July 20, 2010
By G. Ware Cornell Jr. “anotherlawyer” (Weston FL) See all my reviews
(VINE VOICE) (TOP 500 REVIEWER) (REAL NAME) This review is from: Livescribe four GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) I’m a great believer in Livescribe’s smartpens. The 1st offering three years ago Livescribe two GB Pulse Smartpen worked perfectly since. It isn’t exactly svelte, but it had the capacity to record 200 hours of audio and proved to be an very dependable and useful tool for a busy proceedings practice.
The Echo is a refinement of the original Pulse. It’s slimmer, and does not quite appear like one of those metal cigar containers. It has twice the memory of my original smartpen. The price has come down over the years considerably making an investment in a smartpen more nice.
I use my pen to record initial client interviews also as depositions. I’m able using the Livescribe Desktop software to export a recording to a CD and send it to a client to hear. But the best feature is its “point and play” technology which lets me to listen selectively to a recording on my pen by touching a word in my notes. The audio now syncs to the part of the conversation and has a five second “skip back/skip forward” feature to be slow writers like me. I may also listen afterward to my notes and add extra points of interest.
Audio fidelity is surprisingly good. The pen has settings for different environments like lectures or office meetings. If you just use the default settings you’ll be happy with the output.
Besides being thinner, the new Echo not requires a cradle, and attaches straight to a USB port on your Mac (that’s me) or PC.This removes another gadget I have to lug around in my briefcase.
Livescribe’s special paper shouldn’t intimidate any potential buyer. 1st it’s possible to print your paper. Livescribe suggests that this requires a laser printer, but I have really done it with an injet. You must test in any event if your printer is matched which is how I learned many inkjet printers will work.
However users will find Livescribe notebooks to be reasonably priced. I purchase Livescribe ANA 00018 Single Lined 100 Page 5 8 Notebook four Pack which makes the cost per notebook comparable to common spiral notebooks. Obviously Livescribe is refusing to adopt the model of printer manufacturers who make most of their money on supplies.
There are applications available for the Echo as well as a text recognition app that offers a 30 day free trial. But my handwriting is typically indecipherable to me so I have never tried it. But the idea is great.
In the universe of Livescribe pens this is most likely the one which should command your most serious consideration. 4GB is an an huge total of data and recording. I have never come close to filling 2GBs though I do remove recording from the pen from time to time while maintaining the audio on my Livescribe Desktop.
Livescribe perfected a product that, as a tool for lawyers, for students, for physicians, and salesmen, also a host of others was almost perfect.
339 of 352 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of five stars Works Well on Windows; Mac Software Sluggish & Handwriting Recognition Add On MyScript doesn’t Work Well, August 25, 2010
By SanjeevP “Bottom Line” (Michigan, USA) See all my reviews
(VINE VOICE) (TOP 500 REVIEWER) () This review is from: Livescribe four GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) Amazing! is the 1st reaction to this device. Here are the things it can do, and usually well.
1. Write like a regular pen.
2. Record voice or sound like any digital recorder.
3. Link the written notes to the recorded sound. If tap on a written word it’ll play the sound recorded at the time that word was written.
4. Upload handwritten notes and voice to computer.
5. Share your written notes and audio (Pencasts).
The sound quality is pretty good. There are lot of add on apps available like games, language translation, piano etc. Which I haven’t used so far except MyScript, which doesn’t work well. It comes with two good black ink cartridges, no medium, and I wish there was one included. The writing was faint with good tip and it was scratchy to write. So I had to order another pack of five Livescribe ARA 000007 four Medium Blue and one good Red Ink Cartridge cartridges. On occasion the writing is faint on the computer with medium tipped blue cartridges.
PROBLEMS
1. BUGGY MAC LIVESCRIBE DESKTOP SOFTWARE: Echo pen doesn’t come with any software, you must download that from the website. LiveScribe Desktop for Mac software is sluggish and glitchy. You’ll be watching the spinning wheel for a while (3:48 minutes) when it starts, it’ll keep on asking you for email address and password and not let you use the program till you do. And if you aren’t connected to the Internet, the LiveScribe will not stop spinning till you connect the Echo pen. Windows software is really better, faster and doesn’t hang up like that. After you connect the pen, it takes a while for the notes to show up. Though you may be able to archive the notes from one pen to one computer, there’s no way to move notes to many computers because archiving the notes removes them from the pen. The 1st time I connected the pen, it updated the firmware automatically.
2. Hard TO PRINT CUSTOM PAPER: Another problem is that you must purchase notebooks and paper from LiveScribe. As far as I can make out, they don’t sell A4 size paper. You may be able to print the paper on many Postscript color laser printers. I couldn’t print the paper on Dell 5100cn color laser printer, either with Dell Postscript driver or with Adobe generic Postscript driver but I was successful in printing the paper on Brother MFC 9840CDW Color Laser Multifunction Center with Wireless Interface and Duplex but only from the Mac LiveScribe. It took a long time two hours to print 25 pages! Interestingly, the custom notebooks may be printed only in Mac Livescribe, not from the Windows variant. The file was 200MB. You must print one full notebook of 25 pages at time and you can not print fractional notebooks, say pages 1 10. And you may be able to only print total 100 pages (4 Notebooks with 25 pages each). If you want to use more than hundred pages, you must archive a notebook before you may be able to do that. That limitations active pages to 100 at a time! This is the biggest disadvantage I found for my function because I have to hundreds of active records at a time where I can write info on many days. The same limitation also applies to their notebooks. In spite of using 1200 dpi resolution for printing, the quality of writing was still poor when it showed up on the computer. So I ended up using Livescribe Single Subject Spiral Notebook ANA 00017, 4 Pack, Nos. 1 4 which have A4 size paper, but punched.
3. NO EASY WAY TO BACKUP: The data moved to the computer is saved in one of those obscure and hidden Windows & Mac folders that are hard to find for non techies and won’t back up unless you do world backup like Windows Backup or Mac Time Machine. You can not save your data in custom folders. Though, I had everything backed up, I couldn’t restore the the data when my hard drive died and lost all archived notes. Three technical support reps from LiveScribe couldn’t restore it. 1st two said they’ll call back and let me know but never did. The last technical support rep did get back to me in Email and said they couldn’t restore my backed up data. After losing lot of data (300 A4 pages), I now save all notes as PDF files in my custom data folders and also upload to Evernote. I don’t record lot of audio and so far the free Evernote account was enough. Integration of Windows LiveScribe with Evernote works well.
4. POOR HANDWRITING RECOGNITION ADD ON MyScript: My major function in purchasing this pen was to change handwritten notes to computer text. For that I had to purchase a thirty buck add on called MyScript for LiveScribe which doesn’t work so well. With clear cursive writing it doesn’t recognize many words and has specific difficulty with technical words, so you must add each word one by one into the dictionary, and can not import your Microsoft Word or Pages dictionary. Tedious procedure. But it has Auto substitute, which works like Microsoft Word Autocorrect, e.G. If you write 3m, you may be able to program it to develop to three months. That’s the work around to poor handwriting recognition.
5. ANNOYING UNTETHERED CAP: Like each one else, I found the loose cap irritating, it may be easily lost. Are you supposed to keep putting and removing the cap all day long? It isn’t clear to me why they could not make a retractable pen or why the cap can not be held in place on the back of the pen or tethered with a small cord. There’s no clip on the pen to clip it to your pocket either. You’ll find this annoying.
6. NO AUTO ON & OFF: If you forget to turn the pen on by pressing the on/off button, the pen won’t record anything. I can not understand why the pen doesn’t have auto on, it should turn on once you start writing on the paper. The on off button should be behind the ink cartridge, so it turns on just by the procedure of starting to write. Or can be they can fix this with a firmware upgrade.
Overall, it’s great for students to record lectures, attorneys, reporters, conference attendees making notes etc. And you may be able to afterward on refer to the written notes and /or speech. You may be able to write or record speech or do both and link the two. Those who are going to record many of audio should go for eight Gb; for most users four Gb should suffice. If you use LiveScribe notebooks and Windows software it works pretty well. But if you have a Mac, have to print your custom A4 paper, or need handwriting recognition, then it’s a work in progress and needs lot of bugs ironed out before it can become a mainstream product. Can be they can have a wi fi card like Eye Fi so that notes are automatically moved to your computer. It sure has the potentiel.
139 of 145 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of five stars Nice Upgrade from the Pulse, July 22, 2010
By Karen B Mielke (Maplewood, MN, USA) See all my reviews () This review is from: Livescribe eight GB Echo Smartpen (Personal Computers) I love my Pulse 4GB. This Echo 8GB is just that much nicer more comfy to hold, more memory, better uplink connection than the Pulse’s standard cradle, which is a little too easy to knock the pen off from. The Pulse’s pro cradle (upright) is nice, though. The new Mac Desktop update (2.2.1) is a good one, with a much easier interface for sharing pencasts, pdfs, and AAC files. Like the last reviewer, I had difficulty at 1st, but ended up manually downloading and installing the new software update (my software kept telling me I had the new, but it was 2.1). It replaced my last version(keeping all the Pulse files intact), and after the fast install, it started to recognize the Echo without any problem.
The new pen cap is little and fits tight I suspect it’ll be lost quickly. It’s different than the Pulse caps smaller, and fits on differently. I do not notice much difference at all in using the Echo vs the Pulse, but I do find it more comfy and less dorky looking. I never considered 4GB to be too little storage, but 8GB surely lets me to record everything at the highest quality without concern. Interestingly, this pen did not come with the recording headphones which are nice, but way too dorky to really use. If you’re wanting to purchase a 1st Smartpen, you really can not go wrong with either the Pulse or the Echo. If you’re a student or an attorney or anybody who needs to recall in depth discussion points, you will not be sorry. The range of notebooks now is great.
Note: EVERY high school and college student with learning illnesses involving processing speeds, slow writing, Asperger’s Syndrome, or attentional issues should have and use this product. I suspect this will replace “note takers” sooner or later, as this is FAR less costly and more efficient (see 2008 09 research study from Rochester Institute of Technology).
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